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(3)Learning to drop the bags and unlearning what you've learned
August 9, 2011
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Will we ever know the answer to that question. It's also one of the things I don't talk to other people to much about.

D,

Your” what if:… is a very interesting question to think about.

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Tashina said:

Will we ever know the answer to that question. It’s also one of the things I don’t talk to other people to much about.

D,

Your” what if:… is a very interesting question to think about.

Tash,

No, I don’t think we will know the answer.

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August 10, 2011
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Cool.  Smile

/hugs for all.  :)

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(3)Learning to drop the bags & unlearning what you’ve learned:
http://mp3s.beyondvibration.org/3-2011-07-08at02_01-Learning-to-drop-the-bags-and-unlearning

D,

Neutral intent has made a big difference in my day-to-day life. I wonder how it affects contracts between souls. It would seem that once you learn neutral intent, you wouldn't attract karmic relationships – is that so? I find that (for the most part) I'm now able to just “be” with people, which is actually harmonious and delightful. It's not quite so easy though with people that are very close to me. I think that maybe my soul is not quite comfortable with being “autonomous” having been so used to entanglement with loved ones. I feel more “detached” and observing, rather than united. I do have a lot more compassion for them though, which is interesting. Less involvement but more compassion.

April 27, 2012
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DanubePilot said:

webmaster said:

(3)Learning to drop the bags & unlearning what you’ve learned:
http://mp3s.beyondvibration.org/3-2011-07-08at02_01-Learning-to-drop-the-bags-and-unlearning

D,

Neutral intent has made a big difference in my day-to-day life. I wonder how it affects contracts between souls. It would seem that once you learn neutral intent, you wouldn't attract karmic relationships – is that so? I find that (for the most part) I'm now able to just “be” with people, which is actually harmonious and delightful. It's not quite so easy though with people that are very close to me. I think that maybe my soul is not quite comfortable with being “autonomous” having been so used to entanglement with loved ones. I feel more “detached” and observing, rather than united. I do have a lot more compassion for them though, which is interesting. Less involvement but more compassion.

DP,

Neutral intent has nothing to do with contact between souls or “karmic relationships”.  The important thing to remember is that you always observe boundaries with any soul.

Human interaction with loved ones has, for the most part, lost all understanding of this.  It is that lack of boundary respect that makes one uncomfortable with close relationships.  It has nothing to do with love, it is about boundaries.

If your soul is entangled with another soul, neither of you is able to walk your life path without interference from the other soul.  This is never a good thing and always leads to harm, sometimes severe harm to the other soul.  Remember that each soul is unique and because of this, you do not fully understand the other soul.  None of us knows what is best for another soul.

Souls never unite.  That would mean that two unique souls merged into one soul and this doesn't happen.  You may believe it is happening, but it isn't.  

I suspect that you are feeling the inexperience of this manner of boundary respect rather than it being a lack of connection.

You should feel compassion for the soul and less involvement with regard to your soul.  That doesn't mean that you love the other soul less, but merely that you acknowledge it's right to “be” as it needs to “be” and respect that. 

This can be especially difficult with children as parents often do not give the child's soul the respect it needs.  You should respect the soul of a child as much as you respect the soul of an adult.

This has nothing to do with how you raise the child in the physical world…i.e. take care of and teach them.

In today's society, this is extremely mis-understood.

Let me know if you have more questions about this or if I answered it ok.

Kiss

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April 27, 2012
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Yes, this is difficult for me and I will read your reply a few more times. I think you’re right that this is due to my inexperience with boundaries. In the world, I hear connect with this, connect with that, being connected, feeling a connection, and I’m not sure what to do with it other than throw it out.  Surprised Especially because it usually comes from people that “feed” on souls. Is there still connectedness between people while the soul is not involved? What connects then, if so? Is it important at all (to feel connected)? I know I'm definitely uncomfortable when I feel disconnected with someone… You can tell I’m grappling with this whole concept. Thanks Diana.

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Yes, this is difficult for me and I will read your reply a few more times. I think you're right that this is due to my inexperience with boundaries. In the world, I hear connect with this, connect with that, being connected, feeling a connection, and I'm not sure what to do with it other than throw it out.  Surprised Especially because it usually comes from people that “feed” on souls. Is there still connectedness between people while the soul is not involved? What connects then, if so? Is it important at all (to feel connected)? I know I'm definitely uncomfortable when I feel disconnected with someone… You can tell I'm grappling with this whole concept. Thanks Diana.

DP,

This can be a difficult concept to understand because we are told constantly that we should all be connected.  We are, but in a manner that is different from what most are being told.  You can have a deep connection with a soul that you have not invaded the boundary of.  In fact, you will have a far deeper connection because you are respecting boundaries and the other soul doesn't have to worry about your true intentions.  Your intention is neutral…neither positive (trying to impart something to that soul) or negative (trying to take something from the soul).  By remaining neutral, you respect the soul and it is able to respect you in return.

Don't confuse connection with actually joining another soul.  They are not the same at all.  Connection means compassion, understanding from outside the personal space of the that soul, and above all respect for that soul's integrity and journey.

Connection does not mean linkage.  That is the most important thing to understand.  Connection occurs at a far higher level of interaction that supercedes linkage.  

The feeling of disconnection is coming from your mind/ego because it wants to control everything it can control…so you throw out that with the bath water and move to a more productive means of interaction.

I really don't like the word “connection” because it is Human language for a concept that can't really be put in those terms.

I am  able to communicate with all these species because I don't attempt linkage.  I don't attempt to take or give, I remain neutral.  That doesn't mean I can't have empathy and compassion for the soul, but it does mean that I do not impose my concept of those things on a soul that may or may not be ready to understand it.  This is where the confusion lies.

You will need to practice this a lot before it truly is comfortable for you, but it will be worth it…I promise.  it is the foundation for my communication with other species.

Keep this discussion going as long as you need to.

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D,

Thanks so much. Very helpful. It's about control, that's my problem. Fearing that the other soul will overpower me. Or looking for that deep warm feeling of getting what I want from the other soul. (In other words, afraid for what will be taken and wanting to take something.) Because there used to be no boundaries. I'll keep paying attention to how it feels to have respect for boundaries (in both direction). And to let others be on their path.

That part about connection not meaning linkage is great. It really brought things home to me. Many thanks. Smile

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DanubePilot said:

D,

Thanks so much. Very helpful. It's about control, that's my problem. Fearing that the other soul will overpower me. Or looking for that deep warm feeling of getting what I want from the other soul. (In other words, afraid for what will be taken and wanting to take something.) Because there used to be no boundaries. I'll keep paying attention to how it feels to have respect for boundaries (in both direction). And to let others be on their path.

That part about connection not meaning linkage is great. It really brought things home to me. Many thanks. Smile

DP,

I am very happy that it was helpful to you.

Don't try and climb out of more box at a time or you set yourself up for confusion and failure.  Just take it slowly.

It isn't reasonable to expect yourself to complete in a short time what it has taken your lifetime (up until now) to amass.

That is the main reason people are having trouble with this step.  You will find that a wonderful side effect of this is a great increase in your ability to have patience with not only yourself, but with others.

Just keep your shield up and your intent neutral and you will not have to worry about other souls and their intention.  You will find that you are able to just walk away from a soul that is hellbent on taking your energy.

As always, questions and experiences are welcome.  They help others that are doing this.

Kiss

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April 28, 2012
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D,

I can't? Surely I can just shake all of them boxes off at once! Laugh Well, maybe I need to talk to my impatient plant outside the door. Embarassed I appreciate your reminder to go slow.

I had a journey yesterday that I just had to cut short because my mind was chattering, wanting to achieve something. I think it got on high alert as it feels its territory shrinking.

Got rather discouraged about some personal issues today, and in the middle of it all an indigo bunting showed up at the porch. A gorgeous summer bird that had eluded me up till now.

A question from your post: can one's children's souls take one's energy?

Thanks so much, I think I'm onto something really important although very difficult. xoxoxo

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DanubePilot said:

D,

I can't? Surely I can just shake all of them boxes off at once! Laugh Well, maybe I need to talk to my impatient plant outside the door. Embarassed I appreciate your reminder to go slow.

I had a journey yesterday that I just had to cut short because my mind was chattering, wanting to achieve something. I think it got on high alert as it feels its territory shrinking.

Got rather discouraged about some personal issues today, and in the middle of it all an indigo bunting showed up at the porch. A gorgeous summer bird that had eluded me up till now.

A question from your post: can one's children's souls take one's energy?

Thanks so much, I think I'm onto something really important although very difficult. xoxoxo

DP,

I am not quite sure I understood that next to the last paragraph, but am going to instinctively answer it.  If it wasn't what you meant.  Let me know.

Children are wittle soul manipulators.  Never underestimate the power of a child's soul.  Remember that children haven't lost all their memories like gets beat out of we older folks as we age by society.

They are free and clear to do what gets them what they want.  They are not old enough to understand that this does harm in most cases and the difference between the physical and spiritual as it pertains to living a physical life.  It is just a matter of them attempting to copy what they see humans doing.  They can get confused or not.  Sometimes they enjoy the manipulation because it gives them energy.

The important thing to teach a child from as early an age as you can is respect of boundaries and defense of their own.  If you can get this idea into their psyches at an early age, then they are far better able to defend themselves against not only peer pressure but bullying.  

Was this what you meant?  If not and you can re-phrase the question, let me have it again.

Kiss

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Yes, thank you for explaining it.

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Just one more question that belongs with this thread: would you say it's accurate that souls make contracts with each other for learning purposes? I'd like to be clear on that because it's definitely something I currently accept as true. Thanks!

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Just one more question that belongs with this thread: would you say it's accurate that souls make contracts with each other for learning purposes? I'd like to be clear on that because it's definitely something I currently accept as true. Thanks!

D,

Yes, and because they just like each other…but usually for lessons.

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