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(6)Forming intent, remaining neutral and opening portals.
August 10, 2011
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Tashina said:

D,

Thank you so much for the above post. Today when I went into an altered state I did see the blurry wolf,  Anibus , just the head still blurry , then I felt a shift ( it's the only way I can explain it) it felt like I was moving side ways , not alseep , just there . It happened for only a split second or so., and it brought me out of an altered state. I thought to myself, that's different. Does the pull come from the solar plaxis area, or can it come from any area of your body?? Have other members felt this shift also??

Tash,

The pull can feel as though it is coming from any direction except back into yourself.

For me, it comes through my whole soul…but remember I have been doing this for a long time.  That said it really doesn't matter where it begins, only that you feel the pull…or what part you feel the pull in…just go with it.

Actually, it is good that it only lasted a short period of time.  The more you do this, the longer you will be able to sustain the altered state and therefore the pull.

You are all doing great and I can tell you are putting a lot of time into this.  I am quite proud of all of you for your patience and determination to learn this.  This is not easy work.

So Kiss to all of you!

d

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I am sure that it is helpful if you all post your experiences, like Tashina and Roger are doing.  It gives others a sense of what you are experiencing.

Wuvs,

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OK Diana, here goes with my short list of questions Wink

As usual, please remove anything you deem is inappropriate, no offence taken, just following instructions Laugh

 

1. If you have successfully practised separating the soul from the body and going beyond vibration, and you die suddenly (get hit by a proverbial bus for e.g.), would you experience the same as when practicing or something different? Put another way, is this a good rehearsal for physical death?

2. You have mentioned the possibility that when visiting the Ascended Earth, we may not want to return Smile. What happens to your body here in 3D if you decide not to come back?

3.  I understand this is solo work (I like it that way), but several of my friends very much enjoy group meditation and other group metaphysical work, believing the group dynamic enhances the experience. It’s not something I’m usually attracted to, but the question came up anyway. Do you advise against practising this work with others, as in a group session?

4. I am having the experience that this is more about remembering something I have forgotten, rather than learning something new. I also regularly get the feeling that I am already journeying as soon as I enter altered state (or even before that), just not able to get my mind out of the way enough to ‘see it’. It’s as if I am in multiple dimensions at once but am ‘asleep’ to all of them except 3D at this point.

I even had a blurry veiled type of vision that I was in some other-wordly location surrounded by a semi-circular group of beings, that seemed quite excited about the prospect of me seemingly about to awaken. I wasn’t able to solidify the vision and the beings kind of shrugged and said ‘oh not yet, we’re losing him again, he’s not ready yet’ and I was back on my bed, fully ‘conscious’. Possible or just more ego/mind games?

5. You are quite specific about forming an intent to open the portal, but not to form intent to go anywhere specific (like revisiting some experience from a previous journey). Is that to keep the mind out of the way or for some other reason?

 

That’s all for now. Surprised

 

ETA: just remembered another one, this is about obsidian, hope this is the right place for it.

I got 300 tiny pieces of Obsidian from China on ebay ;0). I thought it might be useful to scatter them around the house, or the perimeter of the house, as location protection for the family. Thinking it through, our discussions here have all been about personal obs. sheilds, and so once one has a personal shield, one wouldn't need another one around one's house. However, this is me hoping to offer something to my wife and young children, which I suppose could be seen as an infringement. Sorry, lot of mental noise for such a small idea/gesture. Any comments? LOL

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RogerT said:

OK Diana, here goes with my short list of questions Wink

As usual, please remove anything you deem is inappropriate, no offence taken, just following instructions Laugh

 

1. If you have successfully practised separating the soul from the body and going beyond vibration, and you die suddenly (get hit by a proverbial bus for e.g.), would you experience the same as when practicing or something different? Put another way, is this a good rehearsal for physical death?

2. You have mentioned the possibility that when visiting the Ascended Earth, we may not want to return Smile. What happens to your body here in 3D if you decide not to come back?

3.  I understand this is solo work (I like it that way), but several of my friends very much enjoy group meditation and other group metaphysical work, believing the group dynamic enhances the experience. It's not something I'm usually attracted to, but the question came up anyway. Do you advise against practising this work with others, as in a group session?

4. I am having the experience that this is more about remembering something I have forgotten, rather than learning something new. I also regularly get the feeling that I am already journeying as soon as I enter altered state (or even before that), just not able to get my mind out of the way enough to 'see it'. It's as if I am in multiple dimensions at once but am 'asleep' to all of them except 3D at this point.

I even had a blurry veiled type of vision that I was in some other-wordly location surrounded by a semi-circular group of beings, that seemed quite excited about the prospect of me seemingly about to awaken. I wasn't able to solidify the vision and the beings kind of shrugged and said 'oh not yet, we're losing him again, he's not ready yet' and I was back on my bed, fully 'conscious'. Possible or just more ego/mind games?

5. You are quite specific about forming an intent to open the portal, but not to form intent to go anywhere specific (like revisiting some experience from a previous journey). Is that to keep the mind out of the way or for some other reason?

 

That's all for now. Surprised

 

ETA: just remembered another one, this is about obsidian, hope this is the right place for it.

I got 300 tiny pieces of Obsidian from China on ebay ;0). I thought it might be useful to scatter them around the house, or the perimeter of the house, as location protection for the family. Thinking it through, our discussions here have all been about personal obs. sheilds, and so once one has a personal shield, one wouldn't need another one around one's house. However, this is me hoping to offer something to my wife and young children, which I suppose could be seen as an infringement. Sorry, lot of mental noise for such a small idea/gesture. Any comments? LOL

Dang Coyote!  I had this half of the way finished and dropped the mouse…lost the whole thing.  He is rolling on the floor laughing his rear end off…with Roscoe egging him on.  Laugh

I will start again.

Roger:

This is going to be a very long post because I needed to quote your post so I don't have a senior moment and forget the question I am answering.  Embarassed

1.  I am assuming that you mean if I go beyond vibration and if I come back and later get hit by a bus and become roadkill, is it essentially the same?  Yes, it is.  Death is not the beginning of something new, but merely another step along one's path as far as the soul is concerned.  This is a good rehearsal for physical death.

2.  If you went to the ascended Earth beyond vibration and did not choose to come back, it would appear to those of us that are here that you died.

3.  The problem that I have with group settings is that it only takes the mind/ego of one of the people participating creeping in to send the whole group dynamic to hell in a hand basket.  It would upset the balance and to those that are very sensitive, require them to protect themselves.  I have done both and have never found a group setting to enhance anything.  I find them more of a comfortable social setting than effective tool to do serious work.  To me, it creates static no matter how wrapped and centered I am.  I would suggest that you try it if you want.  I suspect that your real progress will come from working alone.

4.  My answer to this question is that you very may be entering the altered state before you realize you are.  You are correct that you are remembering something you have forgotten.  Your soul could do this when you were born, but today's society rapidly causes this knowledge to be lost.  As you succeed further getting your mind out of the way, you will find that you can go into an altered state just by forming the intent.  You are correct that the other dimensions are already there, but you just can't see them yet…but you will if you keep doing this.  Another important thing to realize is that what I have outlined are beginning steps to do this.  As you become more adept, you will begin to skip steps and the process will accelerate…and this is how it should happen.  You will be able to go altered state, form multiple intents, open portals, and get pulled all in an instant.

5. It is to allow you to get used to going where you need to go when you need to go.  It is about giving up control of where you go (that is mind stuff again).  You won't get pulled into Hell, I promise! Surprised  I am trying to get you to allow the Universe to show you what it wants to show you as you need to be shown it.  If you form intent to go somewhere specific and there is a piece of information you need to have learned before you go to that place, you won't understand what you are shown.  There is an order to this…a universal order so just let it happen.  Humans, being tied up in their wittle mind/egos all the time don't like to give up control to the soul.  That is what this is about…trusting your soul to take you where you need to go.

MY BONUS QUESTION:  I wrap everything.  I wrap the Dog. I wrap the house.  I wrap the property.  I wrap the computer/phone/TV (any tech equipment) and the lines to the street.  If you feel that you want to wrap your family, you will have to make that call.  I can certainly understand why you would want to do that.  The only thing you have to be careful of is that you don't keep them from learning their soul lessons.  If my child was sick, I would be wrapping like crazy.  It could very well be the case that the wrap would not work for anything that was a life lesson.  I hadn't considered that until now, but now suspect that is the case.

Anyhoo…that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.  I hope I answered them so you understand me.  If not, ask again and I will give it another shot.  I am patient.

Kiss

d

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Roger:

Told you I would have a senior moment and I had one even though I had the questions.  Embarassed

I now realize I left out the second paragraph to #4.

You wrote:

I even had a blurry veiled type of vision that I was in some other-wordly location surrounded by a semi-circular group of beings, that seemed quite excited about the prospect of me seemingly about to awaken. I wasn't able to solidify the vision and the beings kind of shrugged and said 'oh not yet, we're losing him again, he's not ready yet' and I was back on my bed, fully 'conscious'. Possible or just more ego/mind games?

That was a crackin' good beginning trip!  

You will have that blurry veiled type of vision at first.  That is very common.  I can totally see that happening.

Don't worry, you will get back there when the time is right.

It doesn't sound like ego/mind stuff, but soul stuff.

d

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Wow Diana. I am so glad I asked all those questions.

Your clarity of response continues to astound me, I am truly grateful, appreciative and honored.

Thanks so much.

By the way, I loved the answer to why not to form specific location intent – of course that's why. Once again, mind/ego gets evicted from the driving seat, lol.

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D,

Has this ever happened to you ??  I think that this is the place to post it . I remember waking up and I grabbed onto Hubby … because on this level of reality , it was like I was blind .. it was like I could see and couldn't .. I don't know how else to put it. I knew I had eyes to see but my vision was some place else. 

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Tashina said:

D,

Has this ever happened to you ??  I think that this is the place to post it . I remember waking up and I grabbed onto Hubby … because on this level of reality , it was like I was blind .. it was like I could see and couldn't .. I don't know how else to put it. I knew I had eyes to see but my vision was some place else. 

Tash,

No, it hasn't.  

I did come back into my body so fast one night and had to use the bathroom really bad, so I jumped up and was dizzy as a coot for about 3 minutes…had to hold onto the wall and feel my way to the bathroom. It passed quickly, but I have never done that again. Surprised

You were probably on an OBE and were not fully back in your body yet.  It was like your eyes weren't connected yet.

Next time that happens, try not to panic and see if you can use your other senses to “see.”  That may have even been the lesson you were trying to be taught.  Ultimately, you are going to learn not to rely on your eyes for your vision.  Your vision is going to come from your soul.

d

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D,

This an amazing place to learn and grow Smile When the time is right will you be posting about near death experiences?? Hope so

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Tash,

Yes, in time.

d

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Hi Diana

Apologies again for not being around for a while, I re-launched one of my websites yesterday and we were fully committed for a week or so with not much space for anything else.

Anyway, in celebration, last night I had a session and I wanted to share my experience with obsidian shields  with the group.

As I got into altered state, I perceived an awful lot of presences in the room. Suddenly I felt that something was getting a bit too close in the area of my crown and temples. Normally, I'd relax and surrender and go with it, but last night the impulse came up to call on the obsidian and repel all borders!

I have the obsidian reside in my center as a kind of dot and when I call it, it seems to blow up to just the level of my skin. Last night it seemed to bubble on outwards, so I followed the feeling and it ended up filling the entire room, like if you were inflating a balloon inside a bottle or a box. Some areas of the room needed a bit more intention to completely fill, but it was quite vivid and the energy has a distinct feeling as well as the opaque dark grey color.

What was cool, was that as the bubble expanded, all presences in the room got pushed out through the walls. In the end, none were left that felt in any way invasive, but I had a feint sense that neutral entities were still able to come on in, but didn't bother me or have any particular feeling to them.

It was very cool.

I wondered a few things:

1. Should I create the intent to have the shield fill all rooms I reside in permanently, maybe the entire house. The gut feel is no but I don't know why not?!

2. Would this be something I can intend to happen automatically, or will it always require my awareness and calling?

They aren't necessarily questions for you to answer, and I will play with it myself from time to time when it feels right.

 

On another note, I am getting better at 'unfocusing' and am getting clearer that whilst projecting my intention pro-actively (that sounds a bit like mind/ego stuff) does work very well, the really good stuff happens more when I relax and allow things to unfold. This is more rested attention versus projected attention stuff.

Ciao for now.

RT

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Hi Diana

Apologies again for not being around for a while, I re-launched one of my websites yesterday and we were fully committed for a week or so with not much space for anything else.

Anyway, in celebration, last night I had a session and I wanted to share my experience with obsidian shields  with the group.

As I got into altered state, I perceived an awful lot of presences in the room. Suddenly I felt that something was getting a bit too close in the area of my crown and temples. Normally, I'd relax and surrender and go with it, but last night the impulse came up to call on the obsidian and repel all borders!

I have the obsidian reside in my center as a kind of dot and when I call it, it seems to blow up to just the level of my skin. Last night it seemed to bubble on outwards, so I followed the feeling and it ended up filling the entire room, like if you were inflating a balloon inside a bottle or a box. Some areas of the room needed a bit more intention to completely fill, but it was quite vivid and the energy has a distinct feeling as well as the opaque dark grey color.

What was cool, was that as the bubble expanded, all presences in the room got pushed out through the walls. In the end, none were left that felt in any way invasive, but I had a feint sense that neutral entities were still able to come on in, but didn't bother me or have any particular feeling to them.

It was very cool.

I wondered a few things:

1. Should I create the intent to have the shield fill all rooms I reside in permanently, maybe the entire house. The gut feel is no but I don't know why not?!

2. Would this be something I can intend to happen automatically, or will it always require my awareness and calling?

They aren't necessarily questions for you to answer, and I will play with it myself from time to time when it feels right.

 

On another note, I am getting better at 'unfocusing' and am getting clearer that whilst projecting my intention pro-actively (that sounds a bit like mind/ego stuff) does work very well, the really good stuff happens more when I relax and allow things to unfold. This is more rested attention versus projected attention stuff.

Ciao for now.

RT

Roger,

Once you put that shield in place it will stay there.  How is reacts is a different manner.  It will push anything that is not neutral away from itself.  You should have the shield in place around you, not within you.  Once in place, you do not have to do anything.  The shield will be pro-active in that it will take care of anything that needs to be taken care of whether your attention is on it or not.  That is the beauty of it.  It stays put and works.  It sounds like it worked fine.

You can wrap your whole house and land if you want to.  That would protect everything.

You sound like you are doing the un-focusing just fine.  It does take some time to get used to, but once you learn how to do it you won't have further trouble doing it.  It is like learning to ride a bicycle…once you learn, you don't forget how to do it.

You are doing very well.

No worries as to the time as this is all go at your own speed.  It is why it is individualized…so each person can work on it as they can.

d

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BeyondVibration said:

You should have the shield in place around you, not within you.  

That’s what I’d initially understood D.

I described a while back that the shield had got closer and closer to my skin over a period of a few days at the beginning, and then it seemed to fuse with the skin, then it permeated the body, and finally appeared focused as a dot in my center somewhere between the navel and solar plexus (although I suspect it’s not really a physical location, just my mind making it seem to be). A good analogy may be to say that the dot is like the hub of the wheel, and the shield contracts and expands to make smaller and larger diameter ‘wheels’ as and when required!

I was very surprised to witness this progression which seemed to happen on automatic, at least I don’t have any awareness of my intention guiding or initiating the process (I just intended to surround myself with the shield).

In retrospect, it may be that the process I described 2 nights ago was indeed automatic or soul led, and my mind of course witnessed it and wants to take credit. Perhaps the reason I got a NO about expanding the shield into the home etc, was to remind me that everything is handled just fine and not to let the mind get a foot in the door and start interfering LaughLaugh

It feels just fine the way it is, but did want to clarify, in case you have anything more to add. 😉

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BeyondVibration said:

You should have the shield in place around you, not within you.  

That's what I'd initially understood D.

I described a while back that the shield had got closer and closer to my skin over a period of a few days at the beginning, and then it seemed to fuse with the skin, then it permeated the body, and finally appeared focused as a dot in my center somewhere between the navel and solar plexus (although I suspect it's not really a physical location, just my mind making it seem to be). A good analogy may be to say that the dot is like the hub of the wheel, and the shield contracts and expands to make smaller and larger diameter 'wheels' as and when required!

I was very surprised to witness this progression which seemed to happen on automatic, at least I don't have any awareness of my intention guiding or initiating the process (I just intended to surround myself with the shield).

In retrospect, it may be that the process I described 2 nights ago was indeed automatic or soul led, and my mind of course witnessed it and wants to take credit. Perhaps the reason I got a NO about expanding the shield into the home etc, was to remind me that everything is handled just fine and not to let the mind get a foot in the door and start interfering LaughLaugh

It feels just fine the way it is, but did want to clarify, in case you have anything more to add. 😉

Roger,

If you surrounded yourself with the shield, it should stay there unless you allow it to be altered.

It is also possible that you are visualizing the shield as a point when in fact it is surrounding you and “seeing” it operate in a different manner (which may be normal for you).  The important thing is that it is protecting you all the time.

Also, you are correct that your mind/ego will try and not only take credit for it, but seek to control it.  That is what you have to be the most careful about.

It is right near the outside of your physical body, but I have never had it appear to me as being anywhere other than in that position.

Be careful that the “No” you got was not coming from your mind/ego in an attempt to limit the effectiveness of the shield.

d

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RogerT said:

BeyondVibration said:

You should have the shield in place around you, not within you.  

That's what I'd initially understood D.

I described a while back that the shield had got closer and closer to my skin over a period of a few days at the beginning, and then it seemed to fuse with the skin, then it permeated the body, and finally appeared focused as a dot in my center somewhere between the navel and solar plexus (although I suspect it's not really a physical location, just my mind making it seem to be). A good analogy may be to say that the dot is like the hub of the wheel, and the shield contracts and expands to make smaller and larger diameter 'wheels' as and when required!

I was very surprised to witness this progression which seemed to happen on automatic, at least I don't have any awareness of my intention guiding or initiating the process (I just intended to surround myself with the shield).

In retrospect, it may be that the process I described 2 nights ago was indeed automatic or soul led, and my mind of course witnessed it and wants to take credit. Perhaps the reason I got a NO about expanding the shield into the home etc, was to remind me that everything is handled just fine and not to let the mind get a foot in the door and start interfering LaughLaugh

It feels just fine the way it is, but did want to clarify, in case you have anything more to add. 😉

Ok Thanks for quick response! Great!!!

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BeyondVibration said:

It is right near the outside of your physical body, but I have never had it appear to me as being anywhere other than in that position.
 

OK thanks, perhaps my mind is all over this one 😉

Re: the above quote. Are you referring to my personal situation or is the YOU generic?

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RogerT said:

BeyondVibration said:

It is right near the outside of your physical body, but I have never had it appear to me as being anywhere other than in that position.
 

OK thanks, perhaps my mind is all over this one 😉

Re: the above quote. Are you referring to my personal situation or is the YOU generic?

Roger,

That is how I have always seen it both with regard to myself and others who have it in place.

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Aha ok.

Can I ask you to take a look at my space and let me know what you see, as you did for Rebeka?

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Aha ok.

Can I ask you to take a look at my space and let me know what you see, as you did for Rebeka?

Roger,

You are OK.

d

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